College is considered a "different world" for several reasons. Although Nathan is referring to Woodson's text, Mis-Education of the Negro, when he tells Souljah, "It'll definitely open your eyes to whats going on in the world," this statement encompasses the experiences and exposure Souljah receives during her tenure at an institution of higher learning. Having read chapter 2 of No Disrespect, discuss the underlying theme, as you have interpreted it, with evidence from the text.
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A theme in this chapter is that expect the unexpected and to never trust a human. Prior to Sister Souljah going to college she was never really interested in boys, excluding Chuck. Though they were still in a relationship she hoped that when getting to college, she will find a full man to take care of ALL of her desires. Also Sister Souljah's first encounter with Nathan, she was not attracted to him. But soon after they connected on a spiritual level, physical level and an emotional level. She gave all of her trust to him and she loved him. Even though Mona warned her to watch out about him, she never listened. When Nathan informed her that he was gay, she felt hollow. She clearly trusted the wrong man.
ReplyDeleteRemember to proofread Osaki. You're raising a valid point about trust but it is not substantiated by the text.
DeleteA theme in this chapter is that expect the unexpected and to never trust a human. Prior to Sister Souljah going to college she was never really interested in boys, excluding Chuck. Though they were still in a relationship she hoped that when getting to college, she will find a full man to take care of ALL of her desires. Also Sister Souljah's first encounter with Nathan, she was not attracted to him. But soon after they connected on a spiritual level, physical level and an emotional level. She gave all of her trust to him and she loved him. Even though Mona warned her to watch out about him, she never listened. When Nathan informed her that he was gay, she felt hollow. She clearly trusted the wrong man.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe that the intentional theme is never trust a human being, but I do agree that trust is depicted in this chapter. I believe it is more about being observant and educated enough not to be so gullible to everyone. This also deals with the idea of love and misguided love, which was spoke about in the introduction. I believe it is a lot more than what is generally stated and that you may think.
DeleteI totally agree with you Carmin. She wants the reader to be aware and become a better judge of character. She also shows how some of her mother's ways were inherent in her.
DeleteI believe Sister Souljah's theme in chapter two, entitled Nathan, is as implied in the title of Woodson's text. It is not that blacks are uneducated, but many times under-educated or mis-educated about themselves and their history. Also, I believe Sister Souljah's theme binds together with the idea of knowing oneself. Here Souljah meets this powerful older bother, who at first appearance is not considered eye candy. However, after hearing another culturally educated sister highlight this exact fault of our people- judging by the observation of skin tone and not by mind- she is urged to look at Nathan differently. In doing so, she is captured by his mind, body, and spirit. Nathan then pushes her further to educate herself in depth about the history and social circumstances of their people. This intrigued Sister Souljah greatly so much that she had fallen for him exceptionally. However, in the end, Nathan turns out to nothing like he had presented himself to be. He is plagued with an even bigger personal issue. He states, "believe me, I am not gay. My feeling were and still are real... I believe you are a God, a mirror for me to look into... I have to repair myself before I can unite with someone as sure and true as you." This educated and now established brother had been filled with pride about the knowledge of his people, but ironically is not knowledgable about himself and who he is. Luckily, Sister Souljah had grown to now understand what it was she wanted from a man. That it was not just appearance.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion I think that the theme Mis - Education of the Negro plays a great part in Sister Souljah's novel because thought many African Americans attend a institution of higher learning some still end up not having a job, not having a way to go or even a clear mind as to what their future looks like. " Since the day after graduation, Nathan had been looking for a job. As May turned into June and June turned into July, Nathan became cranky and short of patience. He had expected simply to graduate and be rewarded for his degree, his intelligence,and his discipline. He had believed that the college degree would free him from poverty".
ReplyDeleteThe deal with ever one and not just blacks is that earning a degree of graduating from a institution of learning and going out in the world one should just get a job , but that's not the case. In the society that we live in today no matter how educated on is there is always something that keeps them from going where they want to go, whether it be ones state of mind, their attitude, their level of determination, their past or just the mare fact that they are not qualified enough. With Nathan he let a the fact that he didn't get a job in the first couple of months get in his way , he thought that society owed him something and that he had to get a job as soon as he got out if school, but he was wrong no one owed him . Nathan needed patience, and though he seemed like he had support and was determined he fell short.
His situation got the best of him which allowed him to want more, it allowed him to bring pain onto someone who cared about him and it allowed him to not to true to himself. Though he did feel like he was doing the right thing by I leaving her he also felt like her was betraying her and also himself. Most times in society we see that one is ready to give up and just let go of everything because one thing did not work out for them, but I think that for one to be who they want to be in life and go where they want to go and be as successful as they want to be they need to know who they really are. Being a black person in a white mans world his not easy but what is easy is knowing in some way shape or form you are able to overcome.
The Mis-Education of the Negro was one of the topics that constantly appeared in chapter two. This happened when Soulja was at the "hut", in class when her teacher spoke about slavery, but I believe the most important one occurred in the Library when Soulja went to check out a book similar to the one she read in class entitled Institutional Racism in America. While searching she realized or rather noticed that they were many interesting books similar to the one she was reading for class. She became angry that she had not found out earlier in her life about those books. The society in which she lived had made sure books like those were not available to teach others and her something about their culture. "Angry because of all the students who did not 'make it' to college would never know that this 'stuff' existed and even their pitiful local public library might not offer such a selection"(58). This was what Soulja's life was about. As a young African American girl she had missed out on some realities of life because of basically her skin color. Soulja was lucky to find out about such books that educated her about her culture but for the ones who were not as lucky like as her might never know those things. So most of those who were not like Soulja walked around in a world where they knew nothing about themselves or where they are from.
ReplyDeleteI believe that the underlying theme of this chapter is to expect the unexpected. I say this because sometimes especially early in your life you go through many changes or problems that lead to you changing. Mostly these changes are unexpected it affects you and others you may encounter with in many ways. In this case from reading chapter 2 who would expect that Nathan would turn out to be who he truly is. After leading Souljah on to believing that they were in a stable relationship and then completely ended up breaking her heart. She went through getting to love him and not because of his looks but because of his spiritual, and intellectual appeal. She grew a strong bond with him by talking to him and learning from him about life, meeting his family, staying over his house when she got time, and mainly trusting him never to hurt her. Everything changed later in the chapter when Nathan became depressed from not getting a job after he graduated college. "I decided it's best if we don't see each other. I'm asking you not to come, not to call,not do anything".This left her in a great despair with no idea of why this was happening. This example explains my reasoning for why I believe the theme for this chapter is to "expect the unexpected"
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ReplyDeleteI believe The theme of chapter 2 is to educate yourself because the schools system doesn't give the proper education. Nathan is a prime example of someone who has educated himself. He is aware of the events that have occurred in the past and the ones that are occurring now. " the more willing you are to learn, the more likely your are to seek and find only to discover that there is still so much more". I believe that she is trying to say that we need to learn more about ourselves. This is why she surrounds herself with people that have educated themselves.
ReplyDeleteI think you have a good point and everything you said relates to the text and somewhat your theme but I think you need more details and you need to expand the text a little more.
Delete@Isaiah i agree with what you're saying great point to start with but i agree wit nimrod you could have said a little more and the fact that she surrounds herself with people who have educated themselves shows that she knows what she wants in life and she is striving to reach her goal.
Delete"But Nate, you lied to me. That's the think that hurts me most. He looked me in the eye and said, if people lie to God each and every day, in their prayers, in their promises, and in their actions, what makes you think they won't lie to you?"
ReplyDeleteThis quote from chapter two entitled Nathan definitely opened souljah's eyes to harsh realities of the world. Souljah fell in love with Nathan not only physically but mentally and emotionally. She learned so much from him being with someone they she can share her knowledge with and he feed her with so much more. Sister felt that they were great together two strong African Americans that did not bring one another down but benefited each other. It was really wrong and kind of crazy how Nathan tried to hide who he really was or his desires by dating souljah. This chapter was a great example of how harsh and hurtful reality can be. What Nathan kept hidden does not only hurt himself but those that he brings into his life. He was wrong for leading souljah on as a significant other while knowing deep down she is not what he wants.
i agree with what you said lisa and even though Sister Souljah was totally caught off guard she stilled yearned for love. Nathan is an influence towards this as he introduces Sister Souljah to many things and how to look at things differently for example the debates that he carries in his room, along with the other young men, she was astonished by the what they were conversing about. Its crazy how he just hurt her like that but Sister Souljah learns a lot from Nathan.
DeleteI agree with you Lisa Nathan has opened her eyes to many different things in the world and has taught her so much that she didn't know. In the time that they were together which was surprising when it turned out he was just leading her on to cover himself.
DeleteWhile reading chapter two the theme Mis-Education of the Negro, is important due to the fact that many black students are not taught about the victimizing of blacks around the world. And even if they were taught about it they don't see it as important , because either they have only heard the story of the past inconsistently, something radical happen or they just don't discern it as being important. Eduction is very important ,according to Nelson Mandela " eduction is the most powerful weapon you can use to change the world". Therefore this is the one of the reason why us blacks are not taught about our history because the people who oppress us are afraid that we use it in retaliation against them. For instance in chapter 2 page 99, Souljah was in her American History while she heard her professor rambling about the "institution of slavery and how historically it had been " over dramatized and oversold" by black people and so-called academicians". The professor claim that slavey wasn't brutal instead slaves had a tight knight loving relationship with their masters, basically he is trying to brain wash these young semi-educated students that slavey was ardent and not unjust.
ReplyDeleteI like the outside information about Nelson Mandela, also it relates towards the theme we are interpreting. Education is key and can take us a long way. What do you think for yourself, what Souljah can gain by her experience at college and meeting Nathan?
DeleteWhat I think Souljah has gain from her experience with Nathan was that she was able to assimilate his wealth of knowledge. Even though he seemed to be a well rounded black man he was afraid of the strong power souljah has,being that she's a female. And it was this same strong personality that she used to overcome her experience with Nathan, after he inform her that he was gay. What she gain from that is that people make promises however they will continue to lie in order to hide their faults
DeleteAfter reading and trying to understand the deeper meaning to what is said in chapter two of No Disrespect, I would say that Sister is handling her transformation to a higher level of learning. Even as a freshman she see herself superior to others intellectually and mentally, showing others that she has the skills to be successful.Based on the chapter we can see that Sister is constantly trying to protect the reputation and the honor of the African race, she's determined to resurrect the culture and history of our ancestors in the minds of everyone that she thought forgot the and lost the respect towards them. I think the theme is that she is examining herself thoroughly in order to find out her weaknesses and her strengths, reflecting on the ways and her experiences of the world and the society she was living in she was able to evaluate herself and change into what she thought was a part of her long work to success.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading chapter the theme that is being said is who sister Soulja is and where. she is coming from I'll elaborate. soulja is coming from an environment when you smart your considered a nerd, when you're do work you're a lame, if you want to learn your considered uncool. Now she is going to facility where is great to learn, when you take pride in doing your work your cool. Now Sista Soulja Is in a different environment she is not accustom to these things (by things I mean environment). She does not anything about the people that's there it s anew beginning. She meets a boy named Nathan who she fake love. Remind you in the beginning of the passage Soulja stateless that she will never care for love and she just wants to ore educated explore the world and become more educated. Soulja is experieng thing that's she never expected.
ReplyDeleteThe underlying theme of chapter 2 is freedom. In being of the chapter Sister Souljah states, "After all, college is the one place on earth that offers young people the chance to be free." Sister Souljah is living on campus, as a result it gives her the opportunity to act out all of her suppressed personality traits and hidden desires that she wasn't able to express in high school. She had the power to dictate that path of her career in college. For example, she was able to select her own courses, and professors. Even though she was free to do as she pleases she was still restrained from doing certain things that doesn't violate school policy. However, she continually felt more like an adult. As a child she had to basically raise her younger siblings, she was given a huge responsibility at a young, she played the role as an adult. Being away at college actually gave her the opportunity to live up to the role she desired to play. Having freedom was a huge factor for her to grow as a person.
ReplyDelete"Actually, I had felt like an adult since I was a little girl. And while some people cherished their youth, I loved the idea of being able to think and decide for myself." In the beginning of chapter 2, Souljah begins the chapter with this remark. The relevance I see to this is that we can connect to it since we are all planning to head out to college, and gain a bit of freedom and independence to do what we want when we want to. This is a huge misconception of college life, as we have come to know through our reading. We expect a new start in a different environment, overlooking that the problems going back at home, that can quickly reach us. We come to expect lenient professors that would give extra time for an assignment as we have becomes used to, but in reality, in the real world, life won't go as we expect it to. We read of Souljahs schedule, of how she and her friend had to stay up late to work on study and research that at times took all nighters, and we're things you couldn't do overnight. The message I received from this is that we need to be prepared to expect the unexpected, and even if they catch us off guard, we need to learn to adapt to situations, learn where to find relief to the stress, and overall maintain your priorities. We may feel like life is all fun and games and that we have all the time in the world to do what we need, but the cruel reality that many need to wake up to is time waits for nobody, an opportunity missed is one less thing that could have gotten you ahead, and as social minorities, we're not in a position to pass up on any chances.
ReplyDeleteI agree with your belief in the mysteries of the world and how understanding reality will allow you to grasp an understanding of what to expect from life. The maintenance of one's responsibilities are crucial when facing the obstacles life may face you with.
DeleteAfter reading Chapter 2 of No Disrespect, I see that college has in some way opened Souljah's eyes about much more in the world then her high school did. It was a huge transition moving onto higher learning from her general education back home. One thing in the book that showed this was when she was assigned a book list in her "Black Education" class. While at she bookstore she was highly overwhelmed be the material and information of racism and African American from the books. Reason being because she wasn't exposed to any of that one bit while in high school. To me the theme from this chapter is about the rethinking of how one views things in a new environment. Nathan is an influence towards this as he introduces Souljah to many things and looking at things differently. In his debates that he carries in his room, along with the other young men, she was astonished by the what they were conversing about. This in a way changed how she viewed about some males at the school.
ReplyDeleteWhen reading chapter 2, it seems to me that the underlying theme pertains to the freedom she has being away from home in college and how that affects her. Knowing that the world is never as it seems means you have to be prepared for something you may not have anticipated. Furthermore, it also conveys a sense of change to some extent due to Sister Souljah leaving home and coming back yo something that was somewhat unexpected. For instance, one of the minor situations that shows this sense of freedom involved in the "Freshmen 10" concept. Sister Souljah definitely gained more weight then she expected due to her abuse of freedom when making her food choice. In addition, I discerned that this sense of freedom was something that she felt was taken for granted such as Nathan to some extent. There was an obvious discordancy in how Sister Souljah felt about Nathan's perception of his interactions with white females which contradicts her feelings towards him. Overall, Sister Souljah's perception of freedom shapes the way she both encounters and handles a situation.
ReplyDeleteHaving read Donte's response alters my thoughts, I believe she was free but she was also uncomfortable being that she was so self-conscience. Souljah was very judgmental and it showed throughout the chapter. From the first time she met Nathan and when she saw Nathan with the white girl she spoke her negative thoughts. Her freedom pushed her passed equality and placed her in a superior position. I agree with Donte, but why do you believe freedom has to result in change?
DeleteI like the point Donte and Craig make are great but in respons to Craigs last remark, I believe that if you change to be free, there must have been a reason for your past self to be unable to attain freedom. Freedom isn't a leasure that can commenly be given out, as we come to notce in the media industry through what we see and hear now in days, so to obtain real freedom you need to fight against the odd that restrain you from freedom, whether it be from someone else, society, and even yourself.
DeleteI agree with all three ideas expressed. I also believed the underlying theme was freedom. Being that Sister Souljah felt like and adult at a young age due her many responsibilities, she was very mindful of her priorities. Also Craig's last remark stunned me, I don't necessarily have a solid answer to his question.
DeleteThe overall theme in chapter 2 is point of view. Each individual introduced in this chapter had a different point of view toward the issue of slavery and how it affected the African race. The introduction of Nathan in the chapter at the library became confusing as they became acquainted. Souljah, even though she was a strong supporter of African roots never liking the whole issue of being,as kids in her neighborhood say " you so black you look blue". How does this relate to the book that sparked their first conversation. It's actually ironic because Souljah never wanted to be around him but in the long run she got closer to him because he was out of the norm and had a positive atmosphere where ever he was. This was a new journey that she was about to embark on, and the end was what will make her enter a new world and see the bones beneath the skin. The intimate relationship that she developed with Nathan was her rude awakening. This made her truly see how lost the African race was. The discussions that normally intrigued her was said, but people don't understand the reality of it and how it affects them. The professor that she had the day after the phone call was a perfect example of how lost people were about the black race.she was white and teaching about the African race it never came from the family.The point is that everyone doesn't think on the same page, so the world is definitely not what you think.
ReplyDeleteHaving read chapter two, Nathan, I believe the underlying theme is “expect the unexpected”. With a philosophy like this you will never be caught off guard, Sister Souljah seemed to be surprised often throughout the chapter. A few examples are Nathan’s confusion with his sexuality, the lies he told her, and her thirteen year old sister’s pregnancy. After reading I learned, the possibilities of things may seem scarce, yet you should prepare for the worst. Heartbreak was one of the major issues in the chapter. Souljah fell hard for Nathan after she noticed his true beauty which was his brain, but his body helped. She constantly thought about Nathan, trying to impress him and buying into all of his beliefs. Souljah idolized Nathan to an extent. However, Nathan had problems of his own, he would go long stretches without contacting Souljah and eventually he broke down. He told Souljah to leave him alone, but she didn’t so he told her everything. Sister Souljah was totally caught off guard but stilled yearned for love.
ReplyDeletei agree with your opinion and i also agree with your theme. Where she ends up falling for him but yet as you said his problems he couldn't control but yet its the same way of saying how love is being unfold for her because she really never had that figure or person to really connect with physically.
DeleteWhile reading chapter two the overall theme in my point of view is expect the unexpected. Sister Souljah did not expect the guy that she had give her heart body and soul to, to be gay.she was menally and emotionally in love with Nathan but he diseve her trust. And at the end of the chapter Nathan told Sister Souljah "if people lie to God each and every day, in prayers, in their promises, and in their actions, what makes you think they won't lie to you?'.This quote simply means that you should always be aware and know that anything may happen.Nathan did not mean to lie or hurt Sister Souljah but he was so distroyed in so many ways.
ReplyDeleteIn chapter 2 of sister souljah no disrespect entitled Nathan, after reading sister souljah made a point about being angry and overwhelmed because she's been to introduced to many great books and the opportunity to learn what she never learned in high school .she said the teachers were ignorant or they was just hiding this information from her .Her professor was teaching about the black history and she seemed focused and so she was interested in learning more about it so she went to the library to get some more books.sister souljah said that learning is fun .I believe the underlying theme in this chapter is that high school don't really prepare you for college because most things you learn from high school not what you expect in ccollege and that college comes with more responsibility and you have to be smart enough to make decisions and to chose your time wisely .everyone has to help themselves in college go out do research on your ow because the professors won't tell you or help you .there is a place and time for everything so you must make your decisions wisely.
ReplyDeleteHaving read chapter 2, I believe that the underlying theme is to trust no one. I consider this the theme because throughout life, there is always a point where trust fades away. By giving your trust to certain people, they often take advantage of it and end up hurting you. "There's something special about you, girl, something spiritual and uncorrupted, something pure. That's why I ran from you. Because I know are directly from God and I don't want to hurt you." In this case Nathan swindled her into believing that she can trust him. Sister Souljah gave Nathan her trust and expected him to cherish it. She didn't follow her fathers advice on not trusting anyone earlier in chapter 1. "He smiled at me, doctored my wound, and simply said, I told you not to trust anybody." Even through Mona's warnings of Nathan, Souljah still believed that he was true to his word and in the end she ended up being hurt.
ReplyDeleteI agree with what you stated, especially where you said "there is always a point in life where trust fades away." I don't think he swindled her though because he even stated that he isn't gay, there were just things in the past that happened that made him this way. He doesn't want to be this way and tells Souljah that and how he loves her.
DeleteI think the theme in chapter two, Nathan is that you never truly know a person. Never in a million years would Sister Souljah have thunk that Nate was gay. She couldn't handle that and even though he didn't admit to being gay, she couldn't deal with him having a male lover. "I was with my lover, David! He helped me get this way you know. I tried to fight it. I tried to fight the demons but no matter what I did and how hard I tried the demons kept coming back and coming back." You could tell Nathan was embarrassed about being homosexual . "I love women. I love you. I think you're beautiful. But I'm sick. It comes in spurts. I'll be fine for months and then when the pressure mounts up, the feelings come back again. The demons start calling me and I start thinking about some perverted activity." She was so appalled at what Nathan was saying. Souljah couldn't believe that the man she loved had a male lover.
ReplyDeleteI agree with what you said. Sister Souljah did not expect the guy that she fell in love with and gave her heart to, to turn out to be gay. She was mentally and emotionally in love with Nathan but he end up deceiving her trust. She got accustomed his spiritual, and scholarly charm. She developed a deep connection with him and trusting him to never hurt her. However, I believe that she was more astounded at the fact that he lied to her.
DeleteI agree with what you said, Nathan and Sister Souljah was mentally,emotionally, and spiritually involved with each other. But when Nathan explain his situation to her and all the feelings she had for him went away. She wasn't interested in him anymore and more importantly she felt sorry for him. She felt sorry for him because he was confused and didn't know what he want.
DeleteI also agree with what you said, Sister Souljah was hurt and disappointed when she found out that the man she fell in love with was gay. When she first met him, he was strong, motivated and spiritually blessed , however now she feels that it was wrong to trust and love him.
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ReplyDeleteFrom reading chapter 2 I've encounter trust and truth. The world ain't always what it seems. According to pages 60-63 she have become guilty due to the girls powerful words of inspiration of blacks and skin type. During the pub nights open mic when she empathize how a person feels invisible cause of the color of the skin rather to a person that is lighter. Where we have the mentality of a white person cause we try to be the lightest of all.
ReplyDeleteIn society today we still go through the same thing where some people consider themselves brown skin or light skin where they do not want to be associated as African American. But yet we all are the same and come from the same ancestors story behind. Another thing is that is that Sister Soulja shows how the ignorance of blacks stating that blacks are non educated where that's an irreverent fact and realize there is many intelligent blacks. As she started college meeting a man of not her type she began to realize the history of her roots. From there Nathan has the urge to pushes her and learn new things that she never did in high school. From there he has an interest in her because he have seen that she is one intelligent sister that also smart around her ways. For example, she trusts no man or person cause college dudes always goes for the fresh meat.
I believe the underlying theme is "never judge a book by its cover" when she first met Nathan she wasn't interested in him because of his appearance. After listening to that girl at the club and actually getting to know an learn fro Nathan she began to fall in love with him for who he was and not for his appearance. Until things took a turn on onto another route and he turned out not to be the person he portrayed to be and breaking her heart.
ReplyDeletechapter 2 Nathan I think the theme is not getting carried away in the new way of life as a college student. The note sister Souljah wrote when she said don't change I brought this up because when she got to college that's what she did she changed. She was all about impressing boys and trying to get there attention. Many people warn her about getting caught up with freedom but she didn't listen. She met a senior named Nathan who seem like a great guy. He had the same thirst for knowledge as did she. She would hang out with Nathan and his friends and they would have conversations on subjects that were interesting and that made her more fascinated in being around Nathan. But she would of never thought that Nathan was gay. After Nathan told her bout him being sick she was shocked because she would of never thought that the person she love and do anything for would be gay. So how was she to move on from such a announcement.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading chapter 2 ,I came to the conclusion that it may not be a good idea for one to completely trust someone. SIster Souljah fell in love with Nathan because she knew that he was highly educated , very spirtual and determined. Nathan engaged her in conversations that she never knew an African American could. He held educated conversations and had strong views towards slavery.
ReplyDeleteShe found out that Nathan was gay and somehow she decided to wish him well. "If people lie to God each and everyday , in their prayers, in their promises , and in their actions, what makes you think they won't lie to you?"
Sister Souljah learned that people lie but it was up to her to know when they are lying or not.
After reading chapter 2, I believe the theme of this chapter is being educated and learning from life experiences. When facing life experiences one need to have a profundity about reality and what it can do to you. Whether or not people attend a institution of higher learning, they need to have knowledge about what's occuring amongst them. Also they need to know who they really are and where they come from. When attending college many blacks are exposed and shaken by reality and how they are characterized in society. However it teaches them not to look at things just as they may seem but to look in dept. For example, sister souljah meet nathan which he captured her attention with his flamboyant characteristic he carried out. Though she was inpsired by the way he presented himself, she didn't know that he was gay and when she found out she was terrible shock. This caused sister souljah to view life in a whole different way. It is very important to have knowledge in the society because it changes the way you see things. One need to know where they come from and who they truly are in order to grow as they go through life.
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